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		<title>By: ObiJohn</title>
		<link>http://www.bold-words.com/the-health-care-debate-isnt-really-a-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-554</link>
		<dc:creator>ObiJohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think everyone wants a healthcare system that works. I don&#039;t think that everyone has thought through what that really means. And, I think politicians on both sides of the aisle are happy to make this a partisan issue of us against them, rich against poor, healthy against ill, young against old.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is no such thing as free health care. Someone has to pay for it. If you divide the total cost of healthcare and make everyone pay, then some will pay more than they otherwise would and some will pay less. Those with no money will pay nothing, and those with a good income (not necessarily the wealthy) will pay a disproportionate share. The people who get more than they pay will find the new system to be good, and those who pay more than they get will disagree.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think it all comes down to values. Our country was founded on the principle of enlightened self-interest, not equitable redistribution of wealth. That doesn&#039;t mean we let our neighbors starve, or die, it means that we help them because we choose to, not because there&#039;s a gun to our head. The difference between charity and robbery is the difference between compassion and compulsion. Robbery is never right, even if the robber is hungry or ill. The ends don&#039;t justify the means.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So, instead of passing a huge bill that very few of its Congressional supporters actually read, why didn&#039;t our leaders try to figure out what few, simple ideas could be incorporated into a bill that almost everyone would agree with? Like, letting individuals deduct insurance as well as companies, or putting a cap on malpractice lawsuits, or a simple $5 tax on every American that would cover catastrophic medical bills and allow insurance companies to sell low-price insurance for coverage under that cap, or letting insurers sell across state lines? Some things that everyone could have gotten behind... along with a clause that says &quot;Let&#039;s try this for 5 years and it will automatically sunset unless we re-pass it because it works.&quot; Maybe because &quot;We won&quot; was easier, and felt better, than saying &quot;Let&#039;s work together&quot; and meaning it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think everyone wants a healthcare system that works. I don&#39;t think that everyone has thought through what that really means. And, I think politicians on both sides of the aisle are happy to make this a partisan issue of us against them, rich against poor, healthy against ill, young against old.</p>
<p>There is no such thing as free health care. Someone has to pay for it. If you divide the total cost of healthcare and make everyone pay, then some will pay more than they otherwise would and some will pay less. Those with no money will pay nothing, and those with a good income (not necessarily the wealthy) will pay a disproportionate share. The people who get more than they pay will find the new system to be good, and those who pay more than they get will disagree.</p>
<p>I think it all comes down to values. Our country was founded on the principle of enlightened self-interest, not equitable redistribution of wealth. That doesn&#39;t mean we let our neighbors starve, or die, it means that we help them because we choose to, not because there&#39;s a gun to our head. The difference between charity and robbery is the difference between compassion and compulsion. Robbery is never right, even if the robber is hungry or ill. The ends don&#39;t justify the means.</p>
<p>So, instead of passing a huge bill that very few of its Congressional supporters actually read, why didn&#39;t our leaders try to figure out what few, simple ideas could be incorporated into a bill that almost everyone would agree with? Like, letting individuals deduct insurance as well as companies, or putting a cap on malpractice lawsuits, or a simple $5 tax on every American that would cover catastrophic medical bills and allow insurance companies to sell low-price insurance for coverage under that cap, or letting insurers sell across state lines? Some things that everyone could have gotten behind&#8230; along with a clause that says &#8220;Let&#39;s try this for 5 years and it will automatically sunset unless we re-pass it because it works.&#8221; Maybe because &#8220;We won&#8221; was easier, and felt better, than saying &#8220;Let&#39;s work together&#8221; and meaning it.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon Ehlers</title>
		<link>http://www.bold-words.com/the-health-care-debate-isnt-really-a-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-532</link>
		<dc:creator>Shannon Ehlers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow this has been on my mind the last few weeks.  I have been putting off making a comment here, but finally gave in after a somewhat lengthy conversation over on Facebook.  I want reform, but I want reform to happen continuously.  I don&#039;t want to &quot;fix&quot; this issue, then assume that we have created the final solution.  I think we need to go out and reform it tomorrow and then reform it again the next day, and keep reforming it.   I don&#039;t want to see government&#039;s role eliminated, but I want the root of reform to happen here, in my town, and there, in your town.  I want it to be me and you and my friends and your friends talking about what is lacking, what is needed, how to get it, and then going out and doing something after all the talking.  I want five or ten new and innovative ideas for each problem we face in this issue and I want them to come from people who are good at something - it doesn&#039;t have to be health care professionals and in fact they might be somewhat counter productive, just find someone who is successful at what they do and ask them.  If they have great ideas, I&#039;d like to see them come forward and share.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I want health care to be what it was when my grandparents and my parents were young, and even when I was growing up.  You had a doctor, who you selected based on what you knew about his/her qualifications and maybe based a little on how well you liked the doctor, too.  The doctor provided the care you needed and recommended trusted specialists when necessary.  You paid the doctor.  That was it.  No need for national ID cards, no real need for insurance because the litigator swamp hadn&#039;t filled up yet, no real need for insurance because the doctor was running his/her practice as a store, per se, and competing with other doctors for your business.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Everyone is so focused on trying to pit the insurance companies against the government - for heaven&#039;s sake, these groups are in bed with one another!  There is no other, more genteel way to put it.  They team up to suck the lifeblood out of the poor hapless customers/citizens (us).  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That was it - all I had - just a lot of rambling, but I will end with a happy health care story:  The doctor who brought me into the world just did a minor procedure on my grandmother about a year ago.  She will be 90 in May, I think he is nearly as old, and both are still going strong!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow this has been on my mind the last few weeks.  I have been putting off making a comment here, but finally gave in after a somewhat lengthy conversation over on Facebook.  I want reform, but I want reform to happen continuously.  I don&#39;t want to &#8220;fix&#8221; this issue, then assume that we have created the final solution.  I think we need to go out and reform it tomorrow and then reform it again the next day, and keep reforming it.   I don&#39;t want to see government&#39;s role eliminated, but I want the root of reform to happen here, in my town, and there, in your town.  I want it to be me and you and my friends and your friends talking about what is lacking, what is needed, how to get it, and then going out and doing something after all the talking.  I want five or ten new and innovative ideas for each problem we face in this issue and I want them to come from people who are good at something &#8211; it doesn&#39;t have to be health care professionals and in fact they might be somewhat counter productive, just find someone who is successful at what they do and ask them.  If they have great ideas, I&#39;d like to see them come forward and share.  </p>
<p>I want health care to be what it was when my grandparents and my parents were young, and even when I was growing up.  You had a doctor, who you selected based on what you knew about his/her qualifications and maybe based a little on how well you liked the doctor, too.  The doctor provided the care you needed and recommended trusted specialists when necessary.  You paid the doctor.  That was it.  No need for national ID cards, no real need for insurance because the litigator swamp hadn&#39;t filled up yet, no real need for insurance because the doctor was running his/her practice as a store, per se, and competing with other doctors for your business.</p>
<p>Everyone is so focused on trying to pit the insurance companies against the government &#8211; for heaven&#39;s sake, these groups are in bed with one another!  There is no other, more genteel way to put it.  They team up to suck the lifeblood out of the poor hapless customers/citizens (us).  </p>
<p>That was it &#8211; all I had &#8211; just a lot of rambling, but I will end with a happy health care story:  The doctor who brought me into the world just did a minor procedure on my grandmother about a year ago.  She will be 90 in May, I think he is nearly as old, and both are still going strong!</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon Ehlers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon Ehlers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 04:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow this has been on my mind the last few weeks.  I have been putting off making a comment here, but finally gave in after a somewhat lengthy conversation over on Facebook.  I want reform, but I want reform to happen continuously.  I don&#039;t want to &quot;fix&quot; this issue, then assume that we have created the final solution.  I think we need to go out and reform it tomorrow and then reform it again the next day, and keep reforming it.   I don&#039;t want to see government&#039;s role eliminated, but I want the root of reform to happen here, in my town, and there, in your town.  I want it to be me and you and my friends and your friends talking about what is lacking, what is needed, how to get it, and then going out and doing something after all the talking.  I want five or ten new and innovative ideas for each problem we face in this issue and I want them to come from people who are good at something - it doesn&#039;t have to be health care professionals and in fact they might be somewhat counter productive, just find someone who is successful at what they do and ask them.  If they have great ideas, I&#039;d like to see them come forward and share.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I want health care to be what it was when my grandparents and my parents were young, and even when I was growing up.  You had a doctor, who you selected based on what you knew about his/her qualifications and maybe based a little on how well you liked the doctor, too.  The doctor provided the care you needed and recommended trusted specialists when necessary.  You paid the doctor.  That was it.  No need for national ID cards, no real need for insurance because the litigator swamp hadn&#039;t filled up yet, no real need for insurance because the doctor was running his/her practice as a store, per se, and competing with other doctors for your business.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Everyone is so focused on trying to pit the insurance companies against the government - for heaven&#039;s sake, these groups are in bed with one another!  There is no other, more genteel way to put it.  They team up to suck the lifeblood out of the poor hapless customers/citizens (us).  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That was it - all I had - just a lot of rambling, but I will end with a happy health care story:  The doctor who brought me into the world just did a minor procedure on my grandmother about a year ago.  She will be 90 in May, I think he is nearly as old, and both are still going strong!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow this has been on my mind the last few weeks.  I have been putting off making a comment here, but finally gave in after a somewhat lengthy conversation over on Facebook.  I want reform, but I want reform to happen continuously.  I don&#39;t want to &#8220;fix&#8221; this issue, then assume that we have created the final solution.  I think we need to go out and reform it tomorrow and then reform it again the next day, and keep reforming it.   I don&#39;t want to see government&#39;s role eliminated, but I want the root of reform to happen here, in my town, and there, in your town.  I want it to be me and you and my friends and your friends talking about what is lacking, what is needed, how to get it, and then going out and doing something after all the talking.  I want five or ten new and innovative ideas for each problem we face in this issue and I want them to come from people who are good at something &#8211; it doesn&#39;t have to be health care professionals and in fact they might be somewhat counter productive, just find someone who is successful at what they do and ask them.  If they have great ideas, I&#39;d like to see them come forward and share.  </p>
<p>I want health care to be what it was when my grandparents and my parents were young, and even when I was growing up.  You had a doctor, who you selected based on what you knew about his/her qualifications and maybe based a little on how well you liked the doctor, too.  The doctor provided the care you needed and recommended trusted specialists when necessary.  You paid the doctor.  That was it.  No need for national ID cards, no real need for insurance because the litigator swamp hadn&#39;t filled up yet, no real need for insurance because the doctor was running his/her practice as a store, per se, and competing with other doctors for your business.</p>
<p>Everyone is so focused on trying to pit the insurance companies against the government &#8211; for heaven&#39;s sake, these groups are in bed with one another!  There is no other, more genteel way to put it.  They team up to suck the lifeblood out of the poor hapless customers/citizens (us).  </p>
<p>That was it &#8211; all I had &#8211; just a lot of rambling, but I will end with a happy health care story:  The doctor who brought me into the world just did a minor procedure on my grandmother about a year ago.  She will be 90 in May, I think he is nearly as old, and both are still going strong!</p>
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		<title>By: braybould</title>
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		<dc:creator>braybould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Christian: We&#039;re a culture dedicated not only to entitlement, but to entitlement without understanding the cost and reality. It&#039;s like the guy who&#039;s been quoted as saying at one of the health care town halls, &quot;Keep your government hands off my my Medicare.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Christian: We&#39;re a culture dedicated not only to entitlement, but to entitlement without understanding the cost and reality. It&#39;s like the guy who&#39;s been quoted as saying at one of the health care town halls, &#8220;Keep your government hands off my my Medicare.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: cnewlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>cnewlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Britt!  Christian here.  Thought this was gonna be a comment on FB but this works too.  I absolutely agree that intelligent discourse on both sides has gone out the window.  And what we have managed to &#039;accomplish&#039; is a watered down and worthless version of anything that will cost money but do nothing.  I don&#039;t think we, as a culture, have the courage to truly look deep and see what the real issues are.  Like you said, sacrifice is a given at this point.  Ours is a culture dedicated to the idea of entitlement.  What got lost in the American message was that yes, this is the land of the free and you&#039;re welcome to pursue your dream.  However, it&#039;s not going to be handed to you.  We lost the &#039;earn it&#039; mentality.  I, too, would love to see some real cogent points on both sides of the issue.  Unfortunately, I know better than that at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Britt!  Christian here.  Thought this was gonna be a comment on FB but this works too.  I absolutely agree that intelligent discourse on both sides has gone out the window.  And what we have managed to &#39;accomplish&#39; is a watered down and worthless version of anything that will cost money but do nothing.  I don&#39;t think we, as a culture, have the courage to truly look deep and see what the real issues are.  Like you said, sacrifice is a given at this point.  Ours is a culture dedicated to the idea of entitlement.  What got lost in the American message was that yes, this is the land of the free and you&#39;re welcome to pursue your dream.  However, it&#39;s not going to be handed to you.  We lost the &#39;earn it&#39; mentality.  I, too, would love to see some real cogent points on both sides of the issue.  Unfortunately, I know better than that at this point.</p>
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